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“This has had a tremendous negative impact on our culture and on religious leaders. So much so that many public schools and churches are teaching children that Jesus Christ does not matter, that the Bible is just a fallible religious text created by men and you can interpret it any way you want, that there is no such thing as sin or evil, that there is no such thing as an absolute truth that everyone should believe, that God only cares about poor people, and that totalitarian socialism is good because it forces government to tax the rich to serve the poor.”

Any person with a mind to history will tell you that Jesus Christ does in fact “matter” as an incredibly important historical figure who effected vast changes on the political and religious tendencies of millions of people. What you would like is a mandatory ingraining of religious ideology placing Jesus Christ in the highest of all social, religious, political, and moral stati when, in reality, one can find thousands upon thousands of historical figures who sacrificed their perishable minds and bodies to various causes for the edification and/or improvement of themselves and those around them. A Christ-centered education focuses on the teachings of one man to the exclusion of many others worthy of consideration and emulation. Ignoring Islam’s Prophet Muhammad also ignores the important goals he accomplished for the people of (then) Arabia, accomplishments which have perservered through recent times and to the betterment of the regional population. Aristotle and Plato, men responsible for a wealth of philosophic ideas suspiciously similar to those of the New Testament, certainly hold their own against Jesus yet, in most fundamentalist Christian schools, neither one of them are mentioned beyond a quick synopsis of ancient Greek liturature.

The Bible is fallible. This fact has been established as long people have been allowed to read the Bible thoughtfully and critically for themselves. The many manuscripts claiming to be infallible and inspired while contradicting one another prove that the Bible is merely one version of several others with the only difference being the arbitrary decisions of mostly corrupt Catholic Church leaders. If god is the all-powerful being of the Bible then he would certainly have no problem asserting some sort of quality control in the centuries during which his holy scriptures were taking their current shape in order to save thoughtful people like myself from the natural, logical conclusions that an errent text necessarily demands.
Secondly, people have been interpreting the Bible in laughably contradictory ways for many, many years. Each sect of Christianity claims divine sanction and, though you might disagree with Jehovah’s Witnesses and Pentecostals, i find god’s silence on the matter more telling than the fundamentalist rubbish you can post on your website and in your magazine. The fact is that one cannot be taken in with your rhetoric while hundreds of thousands of churchgoers attend weekly services whereupon they sing, discuss and digest a variety of religious hymns, topics, and sermons respectively. Yet, though they might carry a NASB or an NIV or NKJ Bible, given a sampling of 100 religious people from different demographics, one could encounter up to 18 differing sects among them (http://www.adherents.com/adh_branches.html), most of them claiming altruistic superiority above one another in some very important doctrines.

Therefore, i think the reality of the situation is not only plain to see but the afformentioned gentle recession from these Christian fallacies is also a very good phenomenom that shows a general trend towards owning up to serious contradictions, hopefully in the absence of the disgusting habit of spouting fundamentalist dogma as if it were an appropriate, enlightening response to secular challenges.

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Auran avatar General Friend

June 23, 2008

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I’m not particularly sure how to approach the brilliance of the debate over religion you’ve presented against the fundamentalist magazine.  I can’t help but be amused by this controversial question of the origin of life.

“The pioneers and missionaries of religion have been the real cause of more   trouble and war than all classes of mankind”- Edgar Allan Poe

Given Poe’s statement, there has been meaningless blood shed over religion.  This absurdity of this fact irks me to no end.

You’ve presented you rebuttal quite eloquently.  However, it was a bit hard to follow in some parts, along with minor typos I’m sure other have pointed out.  Either that or you aware of this already.

Regarding the issue of religion in the education field, I perceive to be ridiculous to a point.  Everything has been taken overboard.  Issues such as removing “under God” from the Pledge of Allegiance is just…WOW.  Those who wish to say “under God” is free to say or not.  I choose not to recite the Pledge each morning in school for my own reasons.

The church is corrupted in general, just like the rest of the world.  This system is controlled by man kind, the imperfect race we are.  In the magazine, it stated that Christians argued that the bible should be taken as the “Absolute Truth.”  I chuckle with an extensive amount of disgust towards that statement.  If we weren’t questioning certain things, not just religion, we’d become brainwashed robots.  It’s as if fundamentalists are children gullible enough to allow themselves to belive anything they hear.

Auran

  

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June 16, 2008

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Very long sentences. Need to revise. What has a negative impact our religious community?-You must say right off.  Is the article that you are referring to  at the top of the page. What is the title of the article that you are feferring to? You must cite that article either in parentesis or underline it. Too many big words and not very comprehensible. What claim are you making? It is not clear here.What did the reviwes say that you can counter? The reader doesn’t know what you are arguing about. Are you saying that movie reviews go against the grain of religion? This is such a wide topic. You have to narrow this. You have to tell us what the critcs are saying about the movies and how they go against christian values. What impact does it have? You dance around it and never rally say. Look, these kinds of things arent easy to write. I write them on a daily basis and they come back marked up with mistakes more often than not.
You may or may not know that the first paragraph of any paper is the most important part of it. You have got five or six lines to tell the reader about the whole paper. i AM NOT GETTING THE THESIS STATEMENT HERE. For instance, your thesis statement should look like this: According to a Christian magazine, most moveis in America today undermind christian values by showing sex and the use of drugs. This is just an example. Now you have to show how the movies undermine these things. This paper is very well worded but needs to be a little clearer on what you are trying to get across to your audience. OK Thanks. If you want ot re-writer and send it ot me again. I will be more than happy to read it Sandi K.

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June 02, 2008

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These claims are too broad to be treated in such a short text. “The Bible is fallible,” “the important goals Muhammad accomplished,” “Christian fallacies,” etc. To make your point effectively, you need to return to the quote at the beginning and treat this subject more thoroughly (or limit yourself to one of these points). For example, there’s nothing about socialism in your text after the quote.

The assumption in the following statement is a logical fallacy: “If god is the all-powerful being . . .” You are assuming this is the case because of what you believe to be logical (which may not be the case at all).

“The fact is that one . . .” (I don’t see what the first part of this sentence has to do with the second.)

Proofreading notes:
as long people have (as missing)
afformentioned = aforementioned

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May 29, 2008

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BRILLIANT! I fucking loved this.

Not only that; but I just find it funny that the people who have those ridiculous “WWJD” wrist bands are usually those who spout hatred that Jesus would blanch at.

You really hit the nail on the hammer. And what the hell’s wrong with taxing the rich to help the poor? Most of those bloated bastards don’t give to charity anyhow.

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May 27, 2008

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Incredible piece. I’ve found that those types of Christians are the ones that believe that we are all going to hell. I can almost guarantee that they are going to cite scriptures to rebuff your comments, no matter how strong the argument.

Thanks for sharing.

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May 24, 2008

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Love it!!
Honesty is a rare commodity these days.
:)

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May 23, 2008

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Very good critisism. But i dont expect it will go anywhere. Fundamentalists are helpless in their bigotry.  

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May 22, 2008

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“established as long people have been allowed”  I think you dropped a word here – should this be “as long as people”?

“god” – probably ought to capitalize in this usage, since it is used as a name rather than as a generic term

“of the Bible then” comma after “Bible”

“i find” capitalize “I”

Your arguments are well-reasoned and presented in a clear manner, although I think that your vocabulary may make comprehension difficult for some readers.  Was it your intention to add an unstated ”...and I’m smarter than you, which is why I see the inconsistencies”?  I don’t think it’s a problem, as such, but if you really hope to convince people to take your view, you may want to make sure you’re not talking over their heads.

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May 21, 2008

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Woo, angry letter. Though I can understand your frustration. As far as I see it, any idea that can have factions isn’t infallible.

I saw a few typos:
..., i find god’s silence on…
I find God’s (We may not agree with Him, but he’s still an Important Guy ;) )

...also a very good phenomenom that shows…
Should be “phenomenon”.

Also, where you mention that out of 100 religious people from different demographics, 25 different sects will be among them, you might want to respecify which sort of religious people (Christian in this case) and where you got this number. Proof of truth in fact makes you harder to argue with.

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