Poetry / Listen Up!

Why thank you so much! :) I’m glad you enjoyed it, still working on it a bit, but I’m glad you got it!

Quite agree about silly nonsense! A work in progress, thanks for reading and commenting!

Thanks for reading and commenting!

thanks!:)

why thank you so much for your very kind words, I’m glad you enjoyed it! :)

Ah to be young again! :) Thank you for reading and commenting! It’s really someone   talking to him/herself feeling frustrated by a lack of words or a self or something like that…a rant I guess! Still in progress…

Thank you for your very lengthy comments and were this your poem I’m sure you would have written it quite differently, however, it is my poem and though you may have some problems with this work in progress your rewriting of it does not really help me. This is a person speaking to him/herself. If the mind is gone how can one speak? I don’t see any line that ends in “sounds” that means solid. If you are new to Urbis then you must learn that brevity is a cause for rejoicing for it costs and enormous amount of credits to open up lengthy reviews and if you’ve been here a while then your just a credit hog.

Yes, I’m new to Urbis, I’ve been here about two weeks now.

I’ve noticed that there are a couple of different types of poets here. There are those who want fluff and praise. And, there are those who are here to better their craft. You are apparently one of the former types.

To be specifically blunt. I see it quite the opposite. The people who post useless praise are costing me credits since I don’t get a thing out of that. To me, getting nothing for five bucks is infinitely worse than getting a something for a hundred bucks. So, I give something. I gave you a review that took time to write. Sometimes I’ll spend a half an hour or more of my time writing a review. My TIME!!! A real thing.

I’m not one of those people who scavenges credits by posting some smarmy garbage about how sweet, wonderful, profound, et cetera, a poem is. I am not one of those people who squirt out three sentences of useless flattery and mass produce a point hoard with little effort that they may sack up some points to go read their fan mail. I’m thinking many of those people are confident that the person they are reviewing won’t report them since the reviewer was so ‘kind’.

I try to make my reviews honest, to the point, and helpful. I try to give reasoned criticism of other people’s work for the purpose of helping them to improve that work. Much of the stuff I read here is so bad that brief comments, if honest, can only have a negative effect on the writer. For instance…

This poem meagerly presents an interesting image. It is garbled and awkward and in serious need of several layers of editing.

That review of your poem wouldn’t cost you much. It would be honest, though it wouldn’t help you much either. In fact, judging by your response, it wouldn’t help you at all since you apparently would see something personal in it and dismiss it.

Now, as I was led to understand, when I signed up for this site, the objective here was to help serious writers improve their craft by exposing it to serious criticism. If that is not the case I will figure it out soon enough. Art is my profession, it is how I make my living. Granting the poetry part of my artistic drive will never contribute to my livelihood, it is still an aspect of my person and I insist that it be done purposefully and skillfully. I don’t see art as a hobby that satisfies my fantasies in the presence of friends.

If this isn’t a serious writing site, so be it.

Joel.

Again you are verbose and writing in ire, I too am a serious poet and come here to chill my brain with inanity and space out and there is not much here that requires a half hour of your time. You’ll find that out in due time. And credits are everything. If you don’t open up your reviews you are banned from the queue so you are forced to open up every review no matter how much it costs, and yours was close to 200 credits which costs me about 4 reviews if I can find 4 poems worth reviewing. People learn to keep it at 50 to 100 for expediency’s sake…I meant no harm just angry as now I’ll have to review 4 more bad poems to open up my other reviews….   this is how it works here… so get used to it….if you are really that good you wouldn’t be here by the way…

I’ve had reviews that were well over 300 credits. And they were the reviews that actually did me good. Perhaps I should change the perspective a bit. You find my review to not be worth the effort it takes you to review a poem since that review costs too much. I on the other hand find reviews that are canned flattery to do exactly the same thing. The difference is obviously in that which motivates either of us.

And, if all it cost you is 200 credits, I’m afraid that I’m hard pressed to see the problem. The average review for my stuff so far has been around 80 credits. Many of those, again, offered no factual criticism. I had one review that technically qualified as a review but nonetheless didn’t actually say a thing. It could have been applied to three fourths of all the poems here it was so generic. I had another review that I later saw in the review list of another poet that said exactly the same thing.

So, yes, there are those who misuse this site, clearly. But I’m not one of them. I see reviewing as a responsibility and an opportunity to take a deeper look into the method of other poets.

I will admit that I do understand the concept of fixed system anomalies. You are saying that one can run out of material to review before one runs out of reviews to open. This is a valid point and I will take it into consideration.

Also, I suggest you actually read my stuff before passing judgement on it.

Joel.

a work in progress as is everything I post here, thanks for reading and commenting!

thanks for reading and the comments, :) it’s a work in progress as is everything I post here and definitely needs some work!